BMW ICOM VS ICOM NEXT

I am looking to buy a good diagnostic tool for bmw, my question is:

which is the best, bmw icom or ICOM Next and why please? also important question is, if i buy icom next is needed to buy icom P for programming newer cars? as i see if buy bmw icom, should to buy also icom p, but i don’t know for icom next.

BMW-ICOM-A2-1

Improved Functionality and Performance:

1. Gbit workshop LAN,backwards compatible
2. Preparation for Gbit LAN on vehicle OBD(cars do not yet supportthis and interface not yet defined,ICOM Next hardware adaptation will be necessary for future Gbit car interface,will cause adaptation costs)
3. Faster start-up times and high throughput
4. Through high-performance,low-power ARM SoCBMW ICOM NEXT A+B+C QC MARK
5. Improved handling
6. More flexible OBD cable
7. Lighted button for logs etc

BMW ICOM NEXT A+B+C Diadnostic Head Overview?

Functionally compatible to ICOM A2
Mechanical design similar ICOM A2
Backwards compatible to car adapters (ICOM B, C) and motorcycle adapters (ICOM D, E)

BMW ICOM NEXT A+B+C Specifications:

Zeroization of data on tamper detection
Secure supply chain assurance
Key storage using physically un-clonable function
CRI Pass-Through DPA Patent Portfolio
Advanced cryptographic Services

If you use BMW ICOM Next V2018.09 , it is better if you have computer as below:
1pc x BMW ICOM A2 Interface
1pc x BMW ICOM B Most
1pc x BMW 20pin Cable
1pc x USB Cable
1pc x OBD2 Cable
1pc x LAN Cable
1pc x NEW EVG7 DL46/HDD500GB/DDR4GB Diagnostic Controller Tablet PC

Different between INPA and ICOM?

INPA just need a OBD II cable with any PC and it can run. Software can be download. The cable cost only $20 USD + cost of a laptop.For a ICOM Scanner, it need a software called ISTA. I know all the bmw model can be used with. The whole system cost around $400 USD + cost of laptop. Anyone know the different between them??? If I am just a user and do some simple work for my E60 M5 (SMG clutch teach-in) , look for error codes. Which one I should buy?

ICOM and GT1 are hardware. GT1 was the previous generation, then came ICOM, and now something called E-NET (I believe).

DIS, ISTA, and INPA are software. DIS was the first generation. ISTA is the replacement for DIS. INPA is software, but was designed for BMW engineer use, not dealerships and most dealerships don’t have it or any clue how to use it. Some of the other guys here can recommend a software set, it seems the place I got mine is no longer selling them either.

ICOM is probably best for me. It does work with 20-pin port “ADS” fully.

Regarding ADS another question/problem came in my mind. Afaik ADS is only supported by Ediabas 6.4.3 and 6.4.7. Is there any advise how to handle this? Or is the only way having 6.4.3 or 6.4.7 installed on one machine and 7.3.0 on another? Is it at all necessary to use a newer version than 6.4.3 of ediabas for newer cars? Currenty I run 7.3.0 because I do not have a ADS interface.

The old EDIABAS is for when using an actual physical ADS interface. Keep using 7.3.0, it will need to be configured as “remote” and you will have to input the IP address of the BMW ICOM A2.You will need 2 tools. iTool Radar to get IP of ICOM and Reserve ICOM (only for when you use INPA, WinKFP, NCSExpert, etc), and EasyConnect for easy configuration of your ediabas.ini file.

Bmw Icom A2 interface

Topic:

I have recently bought the new BMW Diagnostic Tool Icom A2 interface with Isid 3.1, Ista/d 2.36 and Ista/p 2.49.2 software and i would like to ask if anyone knows if it’s possible to connect wireless to the car’s obd without the LAN cable since it support’s WLAN option or what else needed to make it possible? The Icom A2 interface is a clone.

Replied by shawnsheridan

I don’t think any of the A1 ICOM Clones had WLAN card inside, and I would be surprised if A2 ICOM Clone did. If it does, I am pretty sure you need a special Access Point connected to ISIS Server to use WLAN mode.

Replied by TroyE60

Thanks mate for your answer. Actually the ICOM A2 supports Wireless lan. As you can see from the below pic which I have already uploaded (Icom A2 connected in my car’s obd slot) with the system light green (turn on – operational) it has 4 lights. One for communication, one for wireless lan, on for LAN (RJ 45) and one for the operation named system. I was wondering if there is some kind of emulator or something to “trick” the interface so it thinks it is connected on an ISIS server even running from VMware.

how to distinguish the original bmw icom A2 software and fake ICOM A2

BMW ICOM A2+B+C is the best diagnostic tool for BMW car.
1. Super version BMW ICOM A2 is compatible with many kinds of computers.
2. Once insert hard disk into your computer it can automatically install.
3. No request on computer system, and no time limiation for use.

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Q: Is it possible, that I change the Language? There Is only english in Black letters
A: Hello, please open the software first, click “Reset Settings”, then restart the software again, the language option will be available
BMW ICOMlanguage setting

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Q: I tried installing Bmw Icom in the notebook computer “Lenovo”, when I turned on the computer with the new hard drive asks me 2 passwords
can you tell me what they are?
A: First password is “BMW”, second password just ignore, do not need to fill anything.

Q:Does your bmw icom has esys software?
A:yes,it has,It is engineer version HDD.

how to distinguish the original bmw icom A2 software and fake ICOM A2

BMW ICOM A2+B+C is the best diagnostic tool for BMW car.
1. Super version BMW ICOM A2+B+C is compatible with many kinds of computers.
2. Once insert hard disk into your computer it can automatically install.
3. No request on computer system, and no time limiation for use.

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Q: Is it possible, that I change the Language? There Is only english in Black letters
A: Hello, please open the software first, click “Reset Settings”, then restart the software again, the language option will be available
BMW ICOM language setting

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Q: I tried installing Bmw Icom in the notebook computer “Lenovo”, when I turned on the computer with the new hard drive asks me 2 passwords
can you tell me what they are?
A: First password is “BMW”, second password just ignore, do not need to fill anything.

Q:Does your bmw icom has esys software?
A:yes,it has,It is engineer version HDD.

Method to Solve BMW ICOM A2 WinKFP Error 211 on Flash Programming

If you met the problems of BMW ICOM A2 software Winkfp flash programming error 211, you can have a look at the methods provided by forum members. Maybe they are useful.

problems

Both modules from the BMW dealership comes With VIN & Part Number already programmed in them but when use INPA to read the UIF block, the Part Number only showed up but not the VIN. Number, in its place is all yyyyyyy.

How to use WinKFP to program both the CAS & DME to facilitate a starting the engine for BMW E60?

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Tools used here: BMW ICOM A2

Laptop with windows XP

Possible solutions from forums:

Note:

Opinion 1

You only need to code both units and then align. This can be done via NCS and INPA. When units are virgin chassis is written at time of coding.

Opinion 2

Just code both modules to default. You can use any profile which has manipulation disabled.

Opinion 3

Modules on the MOST bus should be reprogrammed with an ICOM interface and not a K+DCAN cable.

Opinion 4

You should be able to successfully reprogram it with ISTA/P and an BMW ICOM interface.

Opinion 5

Check your Winkfp configuration, make sure it looks like this

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Opinion 6

Didn’t have the power supply connected with the right Volts.

Notice!

The information provided here are for information only as they were all taken at random sites on the internet and can be accessed publicly. You should be aware that I have no responsibility for what may happen to your car and any change to be held occur solely at your own risk.

How to Solve BMW ISTA+ 4.1 “Programming is not possible”

BMW ISTA+ for BMW diagnostic & programming function, BMW ISTA+ software compatible with BMW ICOM A2ICOM Next & Enet cable, recently some users to help those with error “Programming is not possible” when using BMW ISTA+. Eobdtool.com share How to Solve BMW ISTA+ 4.1 “Programming is not possible” as following.

Rheingold ISTA+ BMW Diagnostic Software BMW ISTA D/P software 2018.03 Version

Here obd2tool.com share lists possible solutions as follows:

Sw version: Ista+ 4.10.30
Hw: Enet cable

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Error message: I get message after reading all ECU’s
“Programming is not possible”
If I click this message away I can just continue.

I have: bin, binx64, host, hostx64
But which files/maps must be located in map PSdZ?

Solution 1:

Try it with the BLP data so the folder “data” under C / Rheingold / PSdZ / data ..
Of course, in the Reg also specify that the data is available but still as you have made everything on “false” ..

you unpack the BLP under C / Rheingold / PSdZ / and you get the folder “data” ..
So C / Rheingold / PSdZ / data ..

Reg:

“Product Version” = “4.10.30.15635”
“Main Product Version” = “4.10”
“Data version” = “10/04/31”
“DataVersion_en-GB” “04/10/31”
“Logistic Base Version” “10/04/30”
“SWIData” = “04/10/30”

“BMW.Rheingold.Programming.ExpertMode” “True”
“BMW.Rheingold.Programming.Enabled” = “True”
“BMW.Rheingold.Programming.PsdzDataPath” = “.. \\ .. \\ .. \\ \\ PSdZ data_swi”

If it doesn’t work, try the following solution. It works for bmw a2 in earlier version.

Solution 2:

In earlier versions this worked:
“BMW.Rheingold.Programming.ExpertMode”=”False”
“BMW.Rheingold.Programming.Enabled”=”False”
“BMW.Rheingold.Programming.PsdzDataPath”=”..\\..\\PSdZ\\data”

Have not tried on latest.

P.S. BLP must be installed normally into data folder. No need to create any empty folders.

Still had psdz path set to data_swi. You must adjust it to be data instead of data_swi when no sdp installed. Then it should not complain and work. BMW ICOM BLP data MUST be installed in all cases.

Solution 3:

Create empty folders
С:\Rheingold\PSdZ\data
С:\Rheingold\PSdZ\data_swi

Working registry

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\BMWGroup]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\BMWGroup\ISPI]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\BMWGroup\ISPI\ISTA]
“DataVersion”=”4.10.31”
“DataVersion_en-GB”=”4.10.31”
“ProductVersion”=”4.10.30.15635”
“MainProductVersion”=”4.10”
“InstallLocation”=”C:\\Rheingold”
“LogisticBaseVersion”=”4.10.30”
“SWIData”=”4.10.30”

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\BMWGroup\ISPI\Rheingold]
“BMW.Rheingold.Programming.Enabled”=”True”
“BMW.Rheingold.Programming.PsdzDataPath”=”..\\..\\..\\PSdZ\\data_swi”
“BMW.Rheingold.Programming.ExpertMode”=”True”

Rheingold location
Directory of c:\Rheingold\PSdZ

06-Apr-18 22:13 <DIR> .
06-Apr-18 22:13 <DIR> ..
29-Mar-18 19:35 <DIR> bin
29-Mar-18 19:35 <DIR> binx64
06-Apr-18 22:13 <DIR> data
16-Mar-18 09:25 <DIR> data_swi
29-Mar-18 19:35 <DIR> host
29-Mar-18 19:35 <DIR> hostx64

FULL SW
Directory of c:\Rheingold\PSdZ\data_swi

16-Mar-18 09:25 <DIR> .
16-Mar-18 09:25 <DIR> ..
16-Mar-18 09:52 <DIR> psdzdata

Lite SW
Directory of c:\Rheingold\PSdZ\data

06-Apr-18 22:13 <DIR> .
06-Apr-18 22:13 <DIR> ..
06-Apr-18 22:13 <DIR> psdzdata

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What is used for BMW G30 ECU flash

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Purpose: Need to flash a BWM G series G30

Puzzle: Is the ICOM Next mandatory or is the up to date ICOM 1st generation BMW ICOM Next from 2012 ok?
Can I flash NBT EVO with old ICOM?

Advice & Options:

1.

ENET cable would probably be better for you.

2.

I flashed NBT EVOs with old ICOM without problems.

3.

Flashed all Cars with Icom Next and Online Aos with DHCP over Router. Since that i have Never any Problems with NBT or other. Flash E/F/G with this Setup.

Note that Online Aos is the online version of the BMW software for Diagnostic, Programming any many other things.

4.

To answer your question
1st : you doesn’t need iCOM NEXT from OBD2TOOL to flash the G series…but It actually Lot better & save up your times because iCOM NEXT has build in Gigabit connection.
2nd : old iCOM working find. It just take a lot longer.

5.

Icom best any type , router I noticed w my setup I use desktop w 2 lan port and on a few f cars it actually faster then oem it programs up to 8 module same time w gigabit switch , and handle data lots faster than etnet cable and for certain modules the router is a must will crash hu high in kombi in a few others

6.

Any icom will work , but to be safe with f,g,i series vehicles , use a dedicated router as kafas huh and a few other modules will crash if you do not use a router it handles the switches for Ethernet as those modules use more than 1 path way , in short it uses all 4 two pair wires and without router not good , this has worked for me for some time now good luck. note my router does not connect to wan

Conclusion:

ICOM Next is the best option for G series, working better and faster than old BMW Diagnostic Tool BMW ICOM cables. It handles multiprogramming and coding quite nicely. Gets the job done much faster if flashing the complete vehicle. Also, another benefit to Next will be compatibility for future cars.

BMW E-Series Programming with ICOM ISTAP, not ISTA+

There are different systems for vehicle diagnosis (ISTA) and programming (ISTA/P) used. This means it was necessary to change systems several times when repairing a vehicle using software.

ISTA+ has been expanded so that all the required programming functions for the series F, G and I are integrated.

E-series vehicles still have to be programmed using BMW ICOM ISTA/P!

The functions relevant for programming can be accessed via the following menus:

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Vehicle treatment

1.Software update o Comfort – as per the suggested measures plan
o Advanced – with broadened scope
o Additional software (range of functions is not active yet)

2. Control unit replacement o Before exchange (preparation) – control unit read-out for the exchange
o After exchange (subsequent evaluation) – control unit configuration after exchange

3.Vehicle modification o Retrofit
o Conversion
o Conversion (only coding)
o Backfitting
o Immediate measures

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So, what for E series coding/programming?

For Exx- Series:
Interface = K+DCAN Cable (OBDII to USB) or ICOM
ECU Data Files = SP-Daten
NCS Expert = Coding Software
WinKFP = Programming (Flashing) Software
EDIABAS = Low-Level ECU Communication Software used by NCS Expert & WinKFP

For Coding, you need NCS Expert / SP-Daten for E-Series
All Diagnosis and Coding can be done with a cheap K+Dcan cable

For Programming (Flashing ECU’s with new Firmware), then you need ISTA/P for for E-Series, or you can use WinKFP for it. And you will need a BMW ICOM cable (ICOM A2/ICOM A3 or ICOM Next)

YOU HAVE TO KNOW before you buy ICOM A2 or ICOM A3 or ICOM Next:

ICOM Next vs the old ICOM

-> much faster in BMW F and G series ..
-> supports gigabit Ethernet too to be future proof, there currently is not gigabit Ethernet protocol defined yet for autos. Also it has USB3.0 instead of USB2.0 and a better wifi card.

So, Icom next a works much better.

BMW ICOM A+B+C vs ICOM A2

-> more stable during programming
-> be necessary for the future Gbit cars
-> faster start-up times and high throughput
-> through high-performance,low-power ARM SoC
-> improved handling
-> more flexible OBD cable
-> lighted button for logs

In sum, Icom next wins!

ICOM A3 vs ICOM NEXT

Both of these have the same hardware. None of them are clones of anything also. A3 is fully china version of ICOM, there is no original version looking like this crap. NEXT is just looking as genuine NEXT, but with old A1/A2 hardware inside, like A3.

I recommend buying an Icom next. It is priced roughly at 500 euro. Take in consideration that you will probably work on cars that are worth 30-40k euro or maybe more and if your chinese icom fails you even once, you will be spending a lot of money on a bricked ecu.

ICOM A vs ICOM A2 vs ICOM A3

Modified ICOM A2 for vehicles with OBD access receives a significantly more powerful processor and more storage capacity. And robust aluminium case will help to avoid damage when using in harsh environments. It works better in cooling, runs faster and works more stable, not easier broken than older ICOM A.

ICOM A3 can program all units for all BMW series expect media system, and work more stable and has stronger compatibility than ICOM A2, A1.

In short, ICOM NEXT A+B+C works perfect; it’s the best option.

BMW Fxx-Ixx-Gxx-series Coding Latest Software Links

(Quote)BMW Fxx-Ixx-Gxx-series Coding Latest Software Links  (No Request)

Post includes 1. software Overview and Requirements 2. latest Software Links & Installation Instructions.

What is Included:

1.Software Overview and Requirements
2.Latest Software Links & Installation Instructions

NOTE1: Links are in BLUE and pictures are links to larger images.
NOTE2: Click here for Getting Started Guides, Tips, & Cheat Sheets

1.Software Overview and Requirements:1). This guide serves Fxx, Ixx, and Gxx-series vehicle. and cable are used Complete Software & Interface Overview.

E-Series & R05x Mini:

Interface = K+DCAN Cable (OBDII to USB) or ICOM
ECU Data Files = SP-Daten
NCS Expert = Coding Software
WinKFP = Programming (Flashing) Software
EDIABAS = Low Level ECU Communication Software used by NCS Expert & WinKFP

Fxx- / Ixx- / Gxx-Series, Mini (F05x/F06x), & Rolls-Royce:

Interface = ENET Cable (OBDII to RJ45 Ethernet) or ICOM
ECU Data Files = PSdZData
E-Sys = Coding Software
E-Sys = Programming (Flashing) Software

BMW ICOM
ICOM A: main interface
ICOM B: adapter for programming multimedia in E series
ICOM C: adapter for old BMW with round 20 pin diagnostic plug
ICOM D: adapter for motorcycles

Additional Dealership Level Software

ISTA+ (AKA Rheingold or ISTA-D)
DIAGNOSTICS for All Vehicles
PROGRAMMING for F/I/G/RR & MINI, but requiresan ICOM
All Requests, should be directed Here
Additional Details: Beginner’s Guide to BMW ISTA+
ISTA-P
PROGRAMMING traditionally for all chassis, but is being phased out by August 2017, except for legacy E-series.
ICOM Recommended. An ICOM emulator with K+DCAN or ENET can be used, but will NOTcommunicate over all protocols to program every ECU.
Replacement ECU’s must be NEW
All Requests, should be directed to this thread
MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS:
Windows 7-10 Computer
ISTA+: 22 GB Installation + >2 GB free space to run (Diagnostics Only).
Additional 70 GB SDP & ICOM to program (Excludes E-series)
ISTA-P: 112 GB Installation
At least a processor with 2 cores and 2.2 GHz
At least 4 GB RAM

Supported Chassis Code Overview

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Alternative Resources: Burger Tuning & BMW Archives

Prerequisites:

1.Windows 7-10 Computerwith .NET Framework 4.5.2 (or greater) due to new features added.
* Alternative: Mac with Windows Virtualization (eg, Parallels, VMFusion, Oracle Virtualbox) or Apple Bootcamp
ALL VM Setups: Network Adapter configuration should be set to Bridged Network mode.
* E-Sys= Main Coding Software
* PSdZData Lite(~2.5 GB) = ECU Data Files. Works for VO & FDL Coding.
PSdZData_Full (> 80 GB): Contains additional ECU Firmware files ONLYneeded for flash programming (ie updating) ECU’s. Request here.
* E-Sys Launcher= Provides License (ie Activation), FDL-Coding mapping, Cheat Codes (Section 7), & other optimization.
* Connection Interface= ENET Cable (OBDII to RJ45 Ethernet) or BMW ICOM A2
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2.Software Installation:NOTE: Links neverchange. Latest versions always found below.E-Sys – Install Instructions – v.15.pdf(Guide courtesy of member Shawnsheridan)E-sys 3.31.0

* E-Sys 3.27.1– need to use for External Transmitter to clear errors
* E-sys 3.28.1– May result in runtime errors when you try to “Edit FDL” in Expert Mode > Coding
You will not be able to inject CAFD or flash program Launcher Pro 3.x

* See pdf instructions on acquiring activation for use
* Launcher Premium 2.8.x(w/ Built in Token Generator) – Alternative free solution Latest PSdZData_Lite (~2.5 GB) WORKS FOR ALL FDL CODING & VO CODING

* Use this guideto determine your I-Step.
* You only need onelite version for coding that is equal to or greater than your I-Step.
NOTE: If you get “Not Found [C012]” error when “Read Coding Data,” it is time to update.
* Do NOT merge. DELETE old PSdZData folder & REPLACE w/ new PSdZData folder.
* ISTA-P Version & I-Level Overview
* Certain E-sys installation require a minimum Psdzdata:

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TokenMaster’s NCD / CAFD Tool 0.5.2 (Optional)

* One other useful tool. You can read more about it here.

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By Resource:

NCD / CAFD: Read *.ncd files offline and easily search for function, viewing current settings as well as other options
NCD Compare: Load *.ncd files using Folder icons or drag & drop and then far right button initiates compare. Popup showing Left vs right values which you can highlight and copy if you choose. It also highlights *.ncd trees differences in red & you can scroll up and down.
Decrypt CAFD: not just for CAFD’s. It also works for other Psdzdata files (eg FAFP).
FA / FP: viewer; tool includes mapping (eg 430 Inter Exter mirror anti dazzle). You can search loaded FA or entire FAFP (ie available options). FP viewer allows you to view options by Vehicle Profile (FP) without loading FA (Vehicle Order).
FA Compare: like #2, but comparing FA’s.
FA-CAFD: You load individual ECU’s *.ncd and can see how FA additions will affect (ie “what-if).
SVT-CAFD: You load entire saved SVT file and see how FA changes will affect (ie “what-if).

Source: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/